I wanted to take the time to introduce the web site R.E.A.L. Women in Trucking. It was born as a result of what I saw lacking elsewhere and it has most certainly set the stage for what is to come.
In an effort to provide free self-help resources for fellow truckers & prospective student truckers the site is a place we can help ourselves to overcome obstacles in the trucking industry and network to others.
Social media has been amazing to get my story out and it has drawn other organizations concerned with workplace bullying to take an interest in the way truck drivers are treated and trained.
I have also been working on locating other useful links to use for research and employment law information.
Being “REAL” as opposed to unreal is about as plain as I can say it but I wanted to take it one step further by making the word “REAL” an acronym for what the mission is all about.
R. – Reaching Out
E. – Encouraging Others
A. – Achieving Personal Success
L. – Leadership
There is very little guidance by the trucking industry leaders or organizations to assist student truck drivers going from CDL School to their training carriers so that they can become successful, safe truck drivers.
The internet is full of misleading ads and the plethora of associations and organizations make it all the more confusing because they are not being clear on what their true income base relies upon. Advocacy, insurance sales, recruiting? It seems like everyone is trying to sell you the magic potion for a problem they have a hand in creating. That is why this industry is so shady.
For experienced drivers and students alike, being sold your personal safety , your job security, your chance to sleep comfortable & safe, your ability to protest erroneous information placed on your DAC report. It becomes a full time job in itself to keep up with it all.
As you become educated on this industry you begin to see that each obstacle has a smiling snake oil salesmen ready to sell you a remedy, it does not take long to see that problems created for drivers are another inner industry which are meant to get every nickel back from you that you worked so hard to make.
It takes a lot of effort to sort the good information from the heaps of garbage on the internet about becoming a truck driver and how to fight back.
As I have met other veteran women truck drivers I found that they are nothing like the few I encountered from other organizations who sought only to argue and stalk me around the internet.
I found instead that REAL Women Truckers who have huge hearts, they work hard, live quietly and mind their own business. Many have kept their lips zipped about some terrible things they have seen out here but they are eager to be recognized and see this industry clean up its act.
In speaking to some of these women I found the same topics popping up. Some of these gals have been driving since the seventies and started as teenagers learning from their Fathers.
One thing they would like to see changed is how women in the trucking industry treat them.
In my own story I encountered women who had the power to treat drivers fair but chose not to and what these veteran women drivers share is the same power issue.
Discussing various scenarios it seems to stem from a couple different things. We need to understand that a woman who works in-house is probably getting a good deal of male attention because this is male dominated industry. After awhile, an immature woman might think she is superior to other women because she’s being told what a sweetheart she is all day.
There are a number of issues when in-house affairs with superiors or students begin to spill onto the driving population because these people start to become intoxicated with themselves and this can create a hostile atmosphere. They have created an intimate atmosphere in the workplace and everyone else is having to suffer because of it.
The self-confidence of a woman trucker is undenieable but when unintentionally caught in the crosshairs of an in-house ego trip there is going to be a clash. Women in support positions can and do retaliate to show superiority electronically or verbally.
There are women in the trucking industry who seem to want to treat women truckers as substandard and this needs to change.
These hostile work situations are common with women as the try to compete with each other in male dominated industries. What they should be doing is working together and leave their egos aside. This idea was the inspiration for the post I made called “Wild West Women”.
Touching on our human nature to point fingers and pass judgment on everyone else who does not eat, pray and love like ourselves inspired me to write “Bring It On – Ethics in Sexual Harassment Training ” which by the way is almost non-existent in the trucking industry yet violence against women during their training period is ridiculously high.
When I say sexual harassment I do not mean someone saying you have a nice ass at a truck stop. I mean being put on a truck to learn to drive with someone who tries to badger or force you to have sex with them in order to learn to drive the truck. I am talking about trainers who say they will not let you pass if you do not have sex with them. I am talking about dispatchers who call you for phone sex while you are driving all night and withhold miles if you don’t comply. I am talking about companies who retaliate on women drivers when they report these acts and protect the predators.
Many of these trainers have had multiple complaints and the carriers do little if anything to protect other women from being victimized. Having a trainer who is jacking off while watching you drive or jacking himself off while he drives, this is what I am talking about. I AM NOT talking about another driver calling you “Honey”!
When a female student returns to her trainers truck from a shower, she should not have to worry that her trainer will be lying on the bunk with a hard on telling her to suck his cock! She should also not have to worry about being left in the desert which it seems everyone knows is common but no one does anything about it. WTF? These things also happen to male students so it’s not only because women are in a male-dominated industry. It’s because there are sexual predators who have been thriving in mega-fleets that train students who are fresh meat. It is because students are off-guard because they believe their companies are run by professionals, they do not enter these carriers expecting this conduct but perhaps they should.
Co driving teams can be just as dangerous because probelms drivers are recylced back into the driving population when they too have had multiple complaints of violence or sexual misconduct against them. Students should be made clear that the truck IS NOT theirs and they may not throw one another off because one has a temper tantrum when they are getting nowhere trying to make a pass for sex. Screaming at or berating your co-driver is not acceptable and when it is time to get off the truck the carriers should not delay or they themselves are the guilty party should a trajedy occur.
This language is strong on purpose! This is what goes on and when you are all alone 2000 miles from home in a truck, isolated with no one to call for help and someone does these things to you it is frightening and it is a violation of your human dignity but unfortunately the term sexual harassment brings out all the apologists who are afraid we might look weak if we say anything.
Ray LaHood and Oprah Winfrey have no idea what distracted driving is until they have ridden along to see what goes on at our government funded truck driving training carriers.
Another thing I found about real women truckers is that many have come from some sort of abuse in their past. Either as children or abusive spouses and they desire to work alone and be in charge of their own lives. Truck driving is such a confidence booster for a woman.
If you have ever had your face kicked in by the steel toed boot of a man you thought loved you know what I mean. Having someone brainwash you into believing that you could never amount to a hill of beans and then becoming a professional driver of an 18-Wheeler! Well FUCK OFF! RIGHT?
This is not to say that women truckers hate men, most still hold the hope they will meet someone who can accept their independence and understand how hard they fought to have the courage to take the risk.
Once you have tasted this kind of freedom it is very hard to let someone control your life again and it’s very hard to find a man who can refrain from putting his two cents in where it is not needed.
That’s not man-hating, its self-confidence and some people DO NOT like that in a Woman.
Sherry Yielding Brown is one real women trucker I was lucky enough to meet when she drove to meet me in Hamilton, Alabama. She was driving double wide manufactured homes as a teen on back country roads.
Sherry told me about her 20 year trucking career and her very short stint as a company driver for one of “The Big Nine” saying what a joke it was. She retired from the open road in 2005 now works in Safety & Operations for a small company who values their drivers. In her spare time she works on the Marion county domestic violence task force and she is a bead weaver.
I have met a number of women who are either formerly truckers or still driving who would like raise awareness about violence against women in the trucking industry in order to expose those who do it and those who cover it up.
The Dan Rather Report Series into trucking stretched into a four part series is based on CLUES I intentionally put in my student trucker story as a civilian entering trucking.
The show titles are “Queen of the Road”, “Truck Talk”, “Mind Your Loan Business” & “Haul or High Water” they can be viewed by going to the iTunes Store and Searching up “Dan Rather Reports”, each episode is $1.99.
The original unedited story is on the web site “Ask the Trucker” and it is called “A Day in the Life of a Lady Trucker”. The back-story and commentary of the attempted cover-up is here on the “Trucker Desiree” site but portions are included in the 3 part Q & A of Ellen Voie on R.E.A.L. Women In Trucking.
That series was born of a 2rd generation trucker by the name of Heather Rose who wanted to hear more after viewing the “Raw Sound Bytes from a Trucking Convention” video clip that had unfortunate remarks about Women Truckers.
The first post had so many comments I had to shut them down. By the time the second and third posts were up I was ready to become ill as I watched this organization dig themselves in deeper with uninformed and very hurtful remarks about women truckers.
Heather Rose was in a distressed living situation just as the series was launched. She has had very limited access to computers to see the fallout but her only wish like mine has been “will it help to make changes?”
I believe so because at this point denying what has been happening to the female driving population and denying that student females are recruited at nearly 20% when retention remains stagnate at 5 to 6% with all the evidence presented in this past year through social media I feel strongly that those with consciences are doing soul searching.
How far that will get us I am not sure because souls and conscience are not synonymous with the trucking industry.
Trying to come together as drivers for unity I have been happy to see so many men are joining our Facebook fan page called REAL Women Truckers , we have had only three troll attacks which is pretty good considering we post some very controversial issues.
In this process we have begun to draw more clear lines of who is seeking to divide us BUT continuing to deceive by selling themselves as unifiers.
One important item for all to note is the appeal for the CRST Sex Harassment Case was filed on November 30, 2009, you can read more about it by clicking HERE , Should this appeal fail the taxpayers will be left to pay the enormous $4.5 Million in attorney fees.
This should make every American very angry and I should hope take action to see these government funded trucking companies be held accountable for their poor training and personal safety standards.
As we begin to see that workplace bullying legislation may apply to workplace bullying organizations like trucking we can start examining other tools to fight back such the NEW “Sexual Harassment Registry” from our Twitter friends @eBossWatch .
Educating ourselves on trucking employment law will also help drivers find resources to correct false DAC reporting, locate trucking whistleblower information, find information for refusal to drive in unsafe conditions and other issues.
Partnership projects on “Ask the Trucker” Blog Talk Radio like this recent show with Paul Taylor Esquire of Truckers Justice help to assist all drivers learn what their rights are when being forced to do things that will affect their CDL. Listen to the Replay of “FORCED DISPATCH”
The Owner-Operators United (OOU) has endorsed R.E.A.L. Women in Trucking and asks for unity to be inclusive of truckers wives who seen their share of disrespect as they trying to keep the support system going for their guys. Trucking wives are a big component to the success of their spouses, they are very much part of the team even if they are not behind the wheel.
Hope Rivenburg , the young Widow of trucker Jason Rivenburg , she’s done more for truckers this past year than almost anyone despite losing her husband, giving birth to twins days later, working her butt off for the Safe Trucker Parking bill “Jason’s Law” having to endure a murder trial , going to Washington D.C. to speak on behalf of all drivers with very little recognition or REAL help from this industry.
Mike & Linda Rone of RMR Consultants have been wonderful by helping with DAC issues for a few women drivers who need to get back to work and rebut incorrect information that was reported on them. They go above & beyond to help drivers be D.O.T. Compliant. Their services are worth the expense to give you peace of mind that you have your work documents in order when you begin searching for an employer.
Jim Weldon of Driver Match is a Driver/Trainer who has also endorsed our site because he feels strongly about encouraging women to enter the industry but feels they should be trained safely are treated with respect.
Team driving can be an effective learning tool if done properly; it can also be a better way to make money if you can find a compatible person to drive team with.
Driver Match is not a dating site like other misleading team driving love match sites. It is a site where drivers can enter their own criteria to see if they can get along to team drive, he will be adding a background check feature in the near future.
These are innovations from people who care about highway safety, personal safety and being effective, not about ripping someone off who cannot afford to be ripped off.
Part of being a good driver is being a conscientious person, the big picture is trying to create some unity again among drivers.
“Truckers Against Trafficking” is a group that simply asks us to be the eyes and ears while we are on the road to watch for unusual behavior by utilizing their wallet cards and calling the national human trafficking hotline. They will be making their debut at the ‘Great American Truck Show” in Dallas, please stop by their booth a grab some wallet cards to share with other drivers.
Stand up for positive change people, we do not have to tolerate the smoothed over version anymore, not with social media. I am living proof of this.
Better training for all drivers with check and balances will help to eliminate the abusive system both in-house and inside the industry.
The art work for the site was done by Alex Raffi, an Editorial Cartoonist & Artist who also did Artwork for “Jason’s Law“. The intent was to show diversity because one of the biggest obstacles Women face is trying to control things that only lead to division.
If you have personal blog site you would like to link to R.E.A.L. Women In Trucking please email me TruckerDesiree@gmail.com
This is your opportunity to help others with what you know.
Desiree,
A very good summary explaining some very bad conditions and circumstances,
Your candid and graphic approach to describing the things that, not just go on in the industry, but are covered up, is what is needed for some people to wake up. Unfortunately, just saying there is major problems for women within the trucking industry is not enough. Using phrases like “forcing them to do sexual acts” just doesn’t, for some reason, get the attention it needs to. Your vivid descriptions and REAL experiences by women in the industry are eye opening and hopefully will awaken people who have not wanted to face these issues.
It’s like knowing there are people starving in other countries, but until you see the dead bodies, YOU JUST DON”T GET IT!
Change will be difficult because many companies and organizations will cover up the atrocities that exist for the sake of the big fat bottom line.
The Student trucker industry, the lies within recruiting, the cdl trainee industry, the truck driver shortage, and the high turnover rates among drivers within the industry, are all part of the equation and cover up.
Improving the cdl training process does not improve the bottom line, therefore, why in the world would you spend money on it…it’s counter productive! These are facts, sad but true.
It is difficult for most people to connect the dots to it all, therefore, reading about “sexual harassment” appears to be an isolated problem rather than part of the equation and cover up for driver abuse and tolerance, in order to keep the profits high. It’s not just a form of control, but it’s the cause of the turnover rate and driver shortage, and since these problems are profitable, WHY WILL THEY CHANGE THEM?
Many people reading this will still not get it, whether it’s because it’s too complex, they don’t want to, they’re in denial, or they are a part of the problem and don’t want to admit it.
So many people ask me, “is this company good?” “Is that compnay good?”
I tell them to check the internet reviews about them and then directly ask them, ” What is your turnover rate among drivers?”
If it’s low ( significantly lower than the national average for trucking) then they’re probably a good company.
It’s about the best indicator you can go by
Desiree, I am so glad you are doing this for all the truckers and students. None of the above happened to me by my trainer. He was a great guy who loved the lord ans his family and my driver traninng was hard but very G rated. Very christain based and I am still very close to this man I spent 9 weeks with on the raod. We talk weekly or text.
I drove for one of the top nine and I had an on the job injury. I was working my light duty at a terminal for this company far enough from home that they had to put me up in a hotel. I shared my room with a number of female students. Everyhting you posted above happened to quite a few of the female students that I shared a room with. There is no sexual abuse enforcement and no advocacy!
Thank you for helping a speaking up!
KD
Hi KD:
I’m glad you posted because there are good trainers out there but it is a crapshoot if you get one and they may not be perfect to live with. (Sloppiness, Smelly etc.)
I know one lady who was so thankful for getting a good trainer she became one herself to sort of “pay it forward” and it was not until the quality of students declined so bad that she began to fear for her life that she gave up training.
Students should realize that trainers are risking their lives to teach them so they need to judge only on safety.
You will never find the ideal living situation when you are co-habitating in the cab of a truck but common decency and respect will go along ways to keep the peace so you can focus on learning and still have someone to call upon as a mentor when you have gone your own way as a solo driver.
Students are told they will be on their own in a few months but that does not mean you know everything. You will have many situations arise while you are on the road and having someone to call to ask a question occasionally makes a world of difference.
For women who are fortunate to get a woman trainer, take into consideration that she may rub you the wrong way but the alternative is not condusive to learning.
Still, not all male trainers are bad.
I myself had a female trainer who was a pill popper who taught me very little about how to go on my own, it was a man who helped me get to the point I could pass my test and another male trainer I met when I was in distress who mentored me and helped me with my backing.
We can never judge an entire group because of a few bad apples but we should not keep the bad apples in the basket either.
One thing we can all do to help is direct each other to find quality information, esspecially students who have been lied to by just about everyone and are trying to learn & succeed. By doinf this we can help them avert those in this industry who are intentionaly trying to create harm for others and profit from it.
Cheers,
Desiree
Trust God, Keep your house clean (heart), and help others. Ladies you can be the best of the best.a good trainer will be your best friend,that’s what he or she is pAyed for. Ask question’s and nerver say Oh I already know that,things change almost daily. Good luck to all of you strong working gal,s.
I’m just wondering what exactly you mean when you say ” Forced to do sexual acts ?” Are you being raped or if you don’t have sex with them you’ll be fired or what ? To survive in this industry you have to present yourself in a way that let’s everyone know you won’t be disrespected. If your not prepared to do this ladies, you shouldn’t try to be or be in this profession. Your obviously carrying your self in a way that says to them that they can treat you like that. And in the trucking world there are more important issues to worry about. No one is feeling sorry for a woman that has stepped into a profession that she wasn’t mentally or physically ready to take on. This is why nothing is being done about it. I’m not trying to be a bitch, but, this is the reality of it. If you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.
Dear RuthAnne:
I have to ask if you are familiar with particulars in the CRST cases? I also have to also ask if you are now or have ever worked for any of the trucking carriers who train students?
The truth in trucking these days is that you MUST be fed into one of the handful of carriers that train students in order to get enough experience to drive. This is for insurance reasons.
I find that many seasoned drivers that have not been fed through this system do not understand that women are misled into this industry by unemployment counselors using government programs such as “Welfare to Work, Displaced Homemakers etc. Many of these ladies receive a “Workforce Investment Act” voucher to pay for their training or some other favorable repayment program.
If you have read other posts on this site you would see that I have met women who were recruited into trucking right out of domestic violence shelters only to be put on their training trucks with a sexual predator.
If you have every experienced a trauma like this in your life you would know that a women who has just escaped from this sort of abuse does not easily recognize she is in another one right away because she has not been able to recover enough mentally to know if this is normal. If you have only known abouse you do not understand the entire world is not like this and predators know that.
That DOES NOT mean she cannot drive or LEARN to drive a truck.
Every student deserves to be trained in a safe manner and the mortoring public deserves it also.
When a student reports sexual misconduct to their company most often it is the student who is targeted and retaliated against. It doesen’t even have to be a student, as a matter of fact one of the women I wrote about on this site was a Million Mile Plus Female driver and former trainer.
When she came to know of a veteran trainer/executive council member manipulating students for sex she was taken aside and told she would be fired if she ever told anyone. She later was fired during a snowstorm after over 10 years of service when her troubled co-driver she was asked to drive with to “do a favor” had a meltdown in Wyoming.
He was afraid to drive in the snow, told her he needed sex because he was sexually frustrated and was taking oxycontins. She was told to get her stuff off the truck in that snowstorm because he was a military veteran and had more rights than her.
Yes, there are more important trucking issues but you should realize the trucking industry is using women as a smoke screen right NOW to divert attention away from other issues that should be addressed.
If you will read the following article about the DOT encouraging more Women to enter trucking please note they even use the word “Girls” to enter and please make certain you read where they expect to fund this initiative .
“Transportation Department announces Federal Program to Encouraging Female Truckers“
They also mention “Women In Trucking” a Non-Profit funded by the Trucking Industry who thinks empowering Women Truckers to gain respect comes from having tattoo parties like a bunch of drunk sailors. The director of WIT has a Recruitment/Date a Trucker site so this portrays a less than serious approach to women who are considering this occupation.
Last spring I called Marge Bailey Director of WIT about her tweets on twitter offering up Veteran O/O to train Newbies who were also looking for soulmates. This is misleading and could get a woman in a lot of trouble. An Owner-Operator cannot afford the insurance to put a CDL grad of their truck and train them to drive and I am not sure that a student can receive credit this way either because there is a specific system in place to train students so they can receive credit.
There is no way to know these things if you are simply an unemployed or displaced person looking for a new career but WIT & the trucking industry do know.
This DOT initiative suggests that the same funds that should be going toward bridges, roads and parking will feed women wily nily into trucking and who cares what happens to them.
These are the reasons inappropriate women are recruited into trucking. For some reason we expect women to go to charm school before becoming truck drivers but there has also been targeted recruitment toward former felons into trucking, so talk about a double standard.
I have very good manners, I do not stand around and discuss my sex life with strangers , I do not truck hop and I did not come out here looking for a husband.
Still, the system I found was one that was full of retaliation where the inmates basically were running the show.
I hope you can see the big picture rather than judging the surface appearence.
I am glad you wrote because many prospective female students visit this site and your opinion is common and I like them to see that.
I was told by many women not to report what happened to me even though the people who did things had done them over and over to others.
Guess What? I spoke outside of the industry and a lot of people who had their panties down now have them up an are doing their effing job for a change!
RuthAnne,
You wrote on Allens FaceBook wall in regards to this and he replied.
It appears that you’re misled and misinformed, and I’m glad you’ve posted here also because you represent others who are also misled and misinformed.
You say that people shouldn’t go into a profession that they’re not prepared for.
But what if they’re misled into believing they are prepared for it? Suppose they’re told that it will be perfect for them? This is the first problem going on, through recruiting tactics, poor unemployment counseling, and various government placement programs and incentives.
Next, is the problem of lack of company policy which would protect trainees from the horrors which have been going on, and they are going on.
Here is the response Allen wrote on his FB page to you that I believe many should read. I really like the example he gives in his reply.
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RuthAnne
You are missing something that so many others are missing, so I’m glad you have brought it up.
The problem she is talking about is the CDL trainees, not women truck drivers.
Women drivers who make it through training are some of the best drivers on the road. Not only that, but they don’t seem to have few problems with other male professional CDL drivers.
The problems exist after students complete their truck driver training at a school. The 3 month company training process is where all the problems are that we’re talking about.
Many trainers are good people, so there are success stories, but because there are very limited guidelines, company policies, or regulations within the the trucking industry to avoid these issues, the trainee is at the mercy of the trainer. This has been an ongoing problem for trainees for years ( men and women), but has recently been exposed in the last year and a half or so.
Women are MORE vulnerable than men as male trainees deal more with “power issues” while women are being targeted for both power and sexual incidents.
Let me give you an example of why it is important to have these trainee policies in place and ENFORCED.
If our country had no laws to live by, the majority of good, moral, and ethical citizens would not have a problem with one another. However, those who DO need laws to ensure they walk the straight and narrow of life, are what protects the rest of society from them….and not even that works all the time! But it at least reduces crime and violent acts
With the new government program being introduced to “goad” women and girls into trucking( a word used by DOT) we are at a point where these policies must be now strictly introduced and enforced!
I’ll be writing a post about it today on AskTheTrucker and it will explain more.
Allen
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The trucking companies are the ones who need to enforce the policies, and as long as DOT is encouraging and funding through tax dollars, the recruitment of women, then they should make sure that they’re enforced!! before they lead thousands of sheep to the slaughter.
Either that or change their slogan to”
“Here’ little girl, want some candy?”
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I’m not a trucker but I am shocked and saddened by Ruth’s statement, “Your (sic) obviously carrying your self in a way that says to them that they can treat you like that.”
Stop blaming the victim. No victim of rape or sexual-harassment ever “asks for it”. This is just the type of thinking that needs to change.
Thanks Linda for posting.
As a civilian entering trucking this was perhaps the biggest shocker to me that it was other women in trucking who most blamed the victims.
Esspeciallly women in leadership positions which makes it even more confusing on who to turn to for help.
This was the reason I took my story OUT of the trucking industry to let the general public hear what is normal in the world of trucking.
My instincts were that if they knew, they would be outraged.
No one deserves to be hurt or abused yet even women trucking leaders jump to conclusions about women truckers . Its very sad but hopefully minds are being educated now.
The funny thing is a women talking about this is taken less seriously than is a man who says the exact same thing.
This is how bad it is.
I am not a driver, but i do ride with my husband otr. I dress normal as i would at home jeans and a nice top, and i am a decent looking pette woman. I get hit on, ass grabbed, asked for “a date”, ALL THE TIME!!! I have even been mistaken for a prostiute at a company terminal with my husbands arm around me. I have in no way “ASKED” for this attention. I STRONGLY SUPPORT you in every way with getting these issues out in the open. Women need to know what kind of attention and treatment is out here. Granted some of it is respectful and encourging, but this fall short to the disrespect, sexual harrassment, male shovenistic attitudes, and accusations of being gay (no offence to the gay community), which is the norm in this “industry of men”!!
Thanks for posting, Yes , we definately have a problem going on with some of the way these Men behave in public. Today is actually the 1st Annual International Anti-Street Harassment Day. I am on the road & can’t post the link right now but google “Hollabacck Campaign” A wpmen named Holly Kearl started it. It is a campaign to start taking action about these verbal attacks on Women. They seem to have increased & it is a worldwide issue. Women need to stand up & fight back. This is not a climate I want my Daughter or Granddaughters to have to put up with. As if we were put on this earth only to be a spectacle for a few guys who have no class.
Hats off to all women that put up w all the crap plus stuff i couldnt imagine ive been driving over ten years i cant stand the way people think they r bettr than the others .i do like other men appreciate a fine lookin lady but i wont go outta my way for a look i have a 19 yr daughter im affraid of seein her as i glance one day.
Good luck to all.
Women Truckers”Whatever women do they have to do twice as well as guys to be considered half as great.
Hi I just saw you my pleasure to meet you thank you so much 🙂